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#41335 - 06/25/04 04:55 PM
Re: Bush uses an old friend in an ad
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lucechad
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The personal attacks on Bush are what have been disgusting. The ad just shows the level of hatred towards this President and the extent to which the left will go to get him out of office. The ad was on MoveOn.org as part of a contest...so whether they supported it or not, it was there...and from what I've seen of this group, I tend to believe that this group did agree with it. Plus, this is a group that has been publicly supported by Gore, Dean, H. Clinton...who have all been the attack dogs of Kerry.
And, whether you like it or not, Bush has a right to defend himself from these attacks.
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#41337 - 06/25/04 05:20 PM
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scotty76
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Like you said, this was from the moveon.org site and whoever put this together was the one who originally included Hitler.
The fact that the GWB commercial now has Kerry at the end of it (it is a negative ad, after all) doesn't associate Hitler and Kerry anymore than would be the case if Bush gave a campaign speech and said that (1) Hitler was evil and needed to be stopped and later said that (2) Kerry's economic policies will hurt our economy.
Any "association" further than that is in your eyes only.
I get a kick from how you're outraged at Bush using this when it came from the moveon site.
That's kinda like someone trying to shoot you, with a gun, missing, then you take the gun away, shoot them and then they cry for gun control.
Can't have it both ways...
Originally posted by Brian G:
To use that for a cheap association of Kerry to Hitler is disgusting.
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#41339 - 06/28/04 08:11 AM
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lucechad
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Originally posted by Brian G:
He has a right to defend himself by associating Kerry with Adolf Hitler? You're serious?
It was a submitted ad to a group that has no affiliation with John Kerry. Should John Kerry go to some racist web site that supports Bush and use their vile stuff to associate Bush to the KKK?
This is lowest common denominator stuff and the fact that you are willing to defend it speaks volumes about your willingness to accept anything Bush does as good, regardless of the ethics actually involved.
As for the Bush ad...all it associates Kerry to is the hate filled anger coming from the Democratic Party.
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#41340 - 06/28/04 09:37 AM
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scotty76
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Brian-
I hear what you're saying about using propaganda that a PAC (moveon) was using against you as being less than 100% kosher.
While some might see the ad as being on the fringe, Bush still has the right and the obligation to defend himself.
As for standards, yes- the President should be held to higher and better standards. For example, he should never do something as disrespectful as let some skank intern give him a BJ in the Oval Office. But that's a different story...
Here's one person's take on the issue:
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LEFT WANTS IT BOTH WAYS ON HITLER AD
The media and the left have their panties in a wad over an ad on George W. Bush's web site that shows a montage of John Kerry's supporters, including part of the Moveon.org ad that featured Adolf Hitler. It also shows Howard Dean and Al Gore, both with a few screws loose. There is nothing in the ad that hasn't been shown before by some leftist organization or another.
But now, Democrats are up in arms because the ad shows both Kerry and Hitler. They want it both ways. They defended the right to compare Bush to Hitler with their original ad, but now when the ad is being used to show just how insane they are, they whine like babies. Furthermore, the ad does not compare Kerry to Hitler, as did the original Moveon.org ad with Bush, it's just merely there to illustrate the insanity of the left. The Soufflé's campaign is all upset about it...but who cares. The Bush camp says they're not pulling the ad. Good.
All of this proves a single point when it comes to liberals: they can dish it out, but they can't take it.
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#41341 - 06/28/04 09:57 AM
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lucechad
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Here is a response from the Bush campaign on this:
On Thursday, the campaign launched a web video titled Kerry's Coalition of the Wild-eyed. The video featured Democrats who support John Kerry making negative and baseless attacks against the President. Interspersed in the video were segments of two ads that appeared on a website sponsored by MoveOn.org - a group campaigning for Kerry - in January.
On Friday night, John Kerry's campaign denounced our use of these ads, and called that use "disgusting."
The Kerry campaign says, "The use of Adolf Hitler by any campaign, politician or party is simply wrong."
We agree. These ads, like much of the hate-filled, angry rhetoric of Kerry's coalition of the Wild-eyed, are disgusting.
Where was John Kerry's disgust when he hired Zack Exley - the man responsible for encouraging the production of these ads as part of a MoveOn contest - to run the Kerry campaign's internet operation?
Where was John Kerry's sense of outrage when Al Gore, just yesterday afternoon, compared the Bush Administration to the Nazis saying, "The Administration works closely with a network of 'rapid response' digital Brown Shirts who work to pressure reporters and their editors for 'undermining support for our troops.'"
Where was John Kerry's anger when Al Gore in May spoke of "Bush's Gulag"?
Why has John Kerry not denounced billionaire and Democrat Party donor George Soros for comparing the Bush Administration to Nazis. Soros stated, "When I hear Bush say, 'You're either with us or against us,' it reminds me of the Germans. It conjures up memories of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit ('The enemy is listening')."
Why has Kerry not spoken out against filmmaker Michael Moore who last October compared the Patriot Act to Mein Kampf. "The Patriot Act is the first step. 'Mein Kampf' - 'Mein Kampf' was written long before Hitler came to power."
We created this web video to show the depths to which these Kerry supporters will sink to win in November.
Is this the Democratic Party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt who reassured his countrymen we have nothing to fear but fear itself?
No. This is John Kerry's Coalition of the Wild-eyed, who have nothing to offer but fear-mongering.
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#41342 - 06/28/04 10:45 AM
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Anonymous
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I reiterate, a vote this election is the vote for the lesser of two evils. Both are morons.
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